Communion Started at the First Passover

We know what communion is — but why the bread, why the cup, why this specifically? In this episode, we go deeper into yesterday's conversation and trace communion all the way back to its origins: the very first Passover, when God told the Hebrews to eat standing up, belts fastened, ready to run for their lives.

We work through why God commanded that same meal to be repeated every single generation — not just to remember what happened, but so that each person would see themselves as if they personally were there that night. Dr. Abidan Shah connects that idea to his own mentor's mentor, the rabbi Gamaliel, and shows how Jesus took that same framework and recast it at the Last Supper. The episode closes with a sobering cautionary tale: the church at Corinth, who got communion so wrong that people were leaving drunk while others went hungry — and what that still has to teach us today.

0:00 – Recap: What Is Communion, Really?
4:26 – Baptism vs. Communion: One-Time vs. Ongoing
6:39 – Instituted at the First Passover
10:38 – "You Were There" — Not Just Remembering
14:37 – Gamaliel, Paul's Mentor, and the Mishnah
18:37 – The Church That Got Communion Completely Wrong (And the Meal Culture Behind It)
24:32 – What This Series Has Really Been About

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SPEAKER_04 0:41

You know, we know what the communion is, but why exactly do we do it? Why the bread? Why the cup? Why this specifically?

SPEAKER_02 0:48

Let's figure it out together on the Clearview Today Show. You're listening to Clearview Today with Dr. Abban Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm Ryan Hill.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

I'm John Galantis. Welcome to the Clearview Today Show. We're so glad you're joining us for the conversation today. Right here in the studio with our host, Dr. Abadan Shah. Dr. Shaw, we've been talking about how we get to know God. We've been talking a lot about the these things that uh Christ has commanded us to do, like baptism and the Lord's Supper in communion. We had a great discussion on yesterday's episode about communion, but we wanted to dive a little bit deeper into the communion. For anybody who didn't listen yesterday, can you give us a just a brief recap on what exactly the Lord's Supper is?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

So if you go by the textbook definition, the textbook definition is that the communion or Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby sinners, or really believers who were sinners but saved, remember the death of the Lord Jesus and anticipate his second coming. The bread is symbolic of the body, and the blood, of course, is symbolized by the cup or the juice. It's the cup of the new covenant. There's also an element of looking around in fellowship because this is not just an individual meal that you celebrate by yourself, you know, out on the beach or of in the mountains, you just decide to have your personal retreat and have a communion for yourself. It is a church family meal. Not to say that you as a family cannot do the communion at times. Yeah, that's great to do that. Not to say that if someone is passing away, leaving this world, entering into Christ's presence, that it's wrong to give them communion. No, you can still do that if that has some meaning for them. But ultimately, there is a past element, there's a future element, but there's also a present element where you look around to the family that God has now given to you.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

I like that distinction to where those other ways to do, whether it's your family or whether it's you know with a person who's maybe the end of their life, they're not bad or wrong. But if you miss the doing it together as a church family, then it's incomplete. It's it's not it's not the full understanding of what communion truly is or what it's meant to be.

SPEAKER_04 3:04

And we talked a little bit on last episode on the ways that churches do this. You know, we do it every about six weeks or so. And we've we've feel like that's an appropriate time for us because you know, some churches they do it every single week, which is not a bad thing, but for us, it felt like it loses its speciality if it's if it's too common. But at then at the end of the day, if we're not doing it enough, then we're not giving it the gravity that it deserves. So we sort of land it on, you know, every six weeks. And then Dr. Zhad, do you want to talk about how they also come and they pray, you know, during the communion?

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yeah, and nothing wrong with passing the plate down the pew, but we felt like there was something missing in our interaction with people. Now, sometimes people have said it's like passing the plate is like at the dinner table passing the plate. Yes, in theory that is true, but in reality, what do people do? It's a little passive. Yeah, is they sit there with their eyes closed and very meditative, thinking about the night, or they're confessing their sins, or asking for God's grace in their life, or praying for some family member. There is no connection with the rest of the people in the room. Right. So we said, what if we change that and do what many churches do, many denominations do, although they may not have the same meaning and significance behind what they're doing, is that we will invite people to come forward or go to one of those tables set up around the building where they can take part of the communion along with other believers coming up. So there's an interaction that happens, oh yes, please go ahead. Or kneeling up front and then getting up or praying with someone and then getting up and taking the communion, or vice versa. There is some interaction happening with the people there.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

Yeah, yeah. It definitely puts some more connectivity into the communion. And I think it also just uh again, it's not that it takes the focus off of Christ, but it also, I guess, expands our focus. You know, there's people around us who are going through similar things than us. And I think it helps us really to connect with what it is that we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah, I really do like the intentionality behind it of the going and making prayer part of it, because you can tell people in the pews, hey, use this time as a time of reflection, or as we're passing the plates, examine your hearts, things like that. But to see the rest of your church family coming forward and praying it as families, praying as friends together, praying as a couple, it it's just it's such a sweet time. And I think it makes it more special and more of a communal feel than just, you know, here's a plate. Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yeah, there's a difference between baptism and communion. Baptism is individual, one-time demonstration of my oneness with Christ. Right? Going into the water, I am dying with Christ. Going under the water, buried with him. When I come out of the water, I have now risen to walk in the newness of life. It's all a one-time thing. Yeah. Communion has a different uh emphasis. But it's it's still the same thing about my oneness with Christ, but my oneness with others in the body of Christ. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:15

And it's periodic, so we repeat this thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yes, yes, exactly. So yes, it is it is one that it's not one and done. We do it every six weeks. Right. Yeah, or whatever your church has decided, or denomination.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

Yeah, but do it often enough that it doesn't people aren't surprised by it. Like, oh, oh yeah, we do communion as a church. No, no, do it, do it regularly. Do it as a family celebration, as a meal.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

That's right. Now, communion has a much, much deeper significance that I want to focus on. Of course, we talk about our oneness with Christ, but how does that really work out? Is this something that we're superimposing on scripture? This existential type idea where we're trying to kind of a mystical oneness. No. What I want to discuss is how this was something instituted by God Himself. Something that God told Moses to the Hebrews to do after the first Passover. You know, the the Passover was the last thing, the last strike against Egypt. Ten plagues altogether, right? The last one was when the firstborn is gonna die. The only way to survive this plague would be to put blood on the doorpost of your house. If you do not have enough money and resources to buy a lamb for your family, then you can join with another family, and together y'all can purchase a lamb and then slaughter the lamb and then put the blood on the doorpost of your house. So every family that did that would live. Then you had to go inside your home. Don't be wandering in the streets, don't go out to take trash out. No, no curious Georges here. No, let me just peek. I'm just gonna stick my head in. You will die. So you stay inside, you stay safe, and then you eat the Passover. You would eat the roasted lamb, you would eat the unleavened bread, you would stand and and now this is talking about the first first Passover. They were to get everything packed, ready to go, and then tie the belt around the waist.

SPEAKER_04 8:50

And then like take your time, eat and just really savor this moment. No, really just understand what God is doing.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Staff in one hand, we're moving. This is the night to leave. Run. It's time to go. There's no reclining. Because typically, you know, people recline as they ate. Yeah. No reclining today. We're rolling. Yeah. So get everything together. This is not a time to let that lamb cook and you know, savor and go, oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Get the spices all right. Gratitude style. None of that.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

No, no, no, no. This is roasted, means just over the fire, just turning and and all and and returning. The bread, no time to let it leaven. It's unleavened bread. For it to leaven, it takes time, right? None of that. Is is we're rolling here. All that is understood. On that first night, that you was celebrated in a hurry, that you was celebrated almost like this is not this was not the savory meal. Right.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

This is get some fuel in your gut, we're fixing to go.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

You have a long journey ahead. We're not sure when you're gonna eat next. It's time to go. But it also had a deeper significance, where one day Jesus would be the Lamb of God. We are under God's wrath. The wrath of God is hovering over every human being, every person. But if you have the the lamb's blood applied to the doorpost of your heart, and if you have partaken of the lamb inside, the lamb is within. The bread is within, you have his sustenance in you, you can withstand any evil that will come your way. So you're covered under the blood, and you're full of the Lamb, which is Jesus Himself. Perfect, right? First generation got the message, but they also understood the significance to follow.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

This is the first generation of like early Christians, is what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

No, I'm talking about the Hebrews.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

The Hebrews, okay, the first generation of the slaves. Gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

Yeah, about to become a nation. When this moved from a one-time event in Passover to a recurring remembrance of what God has done for us.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

But God told them when you come into your land, this is what you need to do. You need to celebrate the Passover in the same way. Now I can understand celebrating the Passover as in, all right, guys, we're gonna make lamb today. This is a lamb day. Get some good bread. Get them spices. Spices going, get it leavened nice and good, you know, let it rise. Get the cooler, put some ice in it.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Get the good Coke Zeros, don't get the ones in the back. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Yeah, I don't know that the lamb was flowing with honey and Coke Zero. I missed that part.

SPEAKER_04 11:41

But you know, like you when you when you get in a cookout, yeah, everybody's just kind of you know relaxing, taking it easy. We're gonna cook slow, we're gonna probably start at 10, eat around one. Not like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Nothing like this here. Yeah. This is going to be fast. So I understand that. But then God told them to do the exact same thing in every generation, every year. Why? Because was it simply to remember what took place? Was it simply to think, oh, that's what my ancestors went through? It's more than that.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Yeah. Because they could do that without having to physically do it.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Right.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

But this was not simply to remember what took place on that fateful night to great, great, great, great, great granddaddy and grandmama and and our our our whole clan. Right. No, this was so that in every generation, an Israelite would or a Jewish person would celebrate the Passover as if they themselves came out of Egypt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

It's not about like acting it out so we can I can realize what they must have gone through. It's about saying that what they did, you are doing it unto yourself. You're applying it like that sacrifice also applies to you, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

In a sense, you were there that night.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

In a sense, when you're taking taking that Passover lamb and Passover bread and eating the bitter herbs and the rest of it, it is as if you were there that night. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

I like the way you're you're framing that. You were there rather than act as if you were there.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

And I think a lot of Christians act as if, yes, yeah, let me just make believe that it happened.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah. Right. And that's very unique. No faith in the world, no religion in the world can ever come even remotely close to that idea that we see ourselves through the eyes of faith as if we were there that night. And that's what the Jewish people were supposed to do. That's what the Israelites were supposed to do. That's what the later generation of Hebrews who were in the wilderness were supposed to do.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

So does Jesus come in at the Last Supper and completely change the game, or is he taking this established Passover tradition and making something new?

SPEAKER_00 14:40

You know what I'm saying? He is. He is. That's exactly what he's doing.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Instead of seeing themselves as in these individual huts and homes in Egypt, they were to now see themselves in the upper room.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Okay. Okay. So Jesus is sort of like not fast-forwarding things, he's not pushing us forward, but but recasting this thing that's already been familiar and giving it a new meaning, new life.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

Because I guess what it would there it would be pointless for Jesus to say, listen, we need to remember what Moses did. Rather, he's saying Moses was looking forward to this.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Right. You need to remember this. Yeah. This is the night. Wow. That even that night was pointing towards.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Imagine the disciples. Imagine these good Jewish boys who have grown up celebrating Passover, who have grown up understanding this tradition, and now things are being recast in front of them. Things are this paradigm is shifting in front of them.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

We might have talked about this on yesterday's show, but do you think they grasped that then? Like, do you think they knew somewhat this is what he's trying to do? Like this moment is going down in history forever?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

I don't think they understood every inch of it, but when he is talking about memorial, you see in Exodus 12, 14, it says right here, So this day shall be to you a memorial, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. The memorial, again, was not just for one generation or the first generation, but for all generations. In fact, in the Mishnah, which is the Oral Torah, tells us how they understood the word memorial. In each and every generation, this is the definition coming straight from the Mishnah. In each and every generation, a person must view himself as though as though he personally left Egypt.

SPEAKER_04 16:31

Not remembering what they must have gone through, but you came out of Egypt.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

And guess who is associated with that statement? Gamaliel. Gamaliel was Paul's mentor.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Wow. He's the one who said that.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah. That you need to view yourself in every generation, each and every generation, a person must view himself as though he personally left Egypt. So when Paul says that, you know, in in Corinthians, he talks about this do in remembrance of me, he's hearkening back to what his mentor said, and his mentor was rephrasing what Exodus 12 14 was saying.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

So when we take the communion, same same rule applies, I assume. We we're to it's like it's not like, hey, remember what Jesus said in the upper room. I was there. That's right. I was at that winner.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

I was at that table. Yeah. I was at that table. And you said, Well, is that a make belief, or do I like like like time travel? No, by faith you you believe just like the Israelites did, just like the Jewish people did through the centuries that you were there. Yeah. And that so when you took that bread, it's as if Jesus is handing you that piece of bread. When you took that cup, it's as if Jesus is handing the cup to you. And when you see the people around you, they are the disciples, not just those twelve, but hundreds of thousands of disciples all over the world. And then you can you can add that, you know, multiply that to millions and trillions throughout history.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

I think I think I I think I have an illustration. It may be too, it may be too like straightforward, but I think a lot of times Christians, especially, we try to confuse this thing, but like I I was there, but I wasn't there. That was 2,000 years ago. Like if you're at a let's let's say you work in a company, right? And you're absent for a meeting and they take notes for you. This is what the boss wants. He's laid out all the notes, passed these notes along to to you when you come back. You were at that meeting. Like the what he wants, what he expects from you is communicated to you. You can't be like, oh, well, I wasn't there, so you didn't say it to me. It was given to you. You know what I mean? And maybe that's too straightforward of an illustration, but uh, is that sort of what it is? It's like it's like for all intents and purposes, you were there because here's what I said, here's what I want you to do, here's what I expect from you. Sure. It was given to you. For all intents and purposes, you really were there.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Exactly. And I think that sometimes is a missing, missing element in many of our communion services where people either take it as a sacrament that somehow this gives me miraculous power of healing and protection from evil or blessing. And I don't think that's really accurate. Sometimes people look at it as this is my personal moment with Jesus, this is my time to confess my sins. And it should be, but I don't think it's just about you. Right. Sometimes people look at it as this is just me in in you know, in the family of God, and and we are emphasizing that in this in this particular episode, but I don't think it was just that. I think it's more to it, and the more to it is that you are in the upper room with Jesus and with the disciples of the ages taking part in the body and the blood of Christ. We're one with him together, one with him. And I think all that plays a role. Now, sadly, a church completely, I mean, completely missed that point, and that was the church in Corinth.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Yeah, I remember you, yeah. I remember you doing a series on first Corinthians when Paul writes to these guys, and I mean it's it's essentially whooping time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

And and and communion was a big part of that. That church in Corinth, man. They they they need to get straightened out.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

I saw a I saw I saw a TikTok one time. It was Steve from Blues Clues, and it was like, we just got a letter. Wonder who it's from, and it opens it up and it says Paul's epistle to the first Corinthians, and it's just like deathly scary music. It was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

No, no, I mean they they got this way wrong.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Absolutely. And it's centered around the communion. Yeah. I mean, the early church, the first church, or the first couple of generations, their church services look different than ours. And I don't think we need to aspire to go by, go back to that early age. That was never the intention that God said, just how house churches, home churches, how I want things to be. No, that's just what they could do at the time.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

A lot of people in 2026 want to go back to house church for some reason. You've got the freedom to build and make this great church here in your local community, but they're like, nah, I want to do it in my house.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yeah, that's that's why a lot of heresies also came out in the first couple centuries because you had untrained leaders doing a lot of untrained things leading into heresies. So just be careful. That's never been God's plan that you go back to meeting in homes.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

What was it we said recently about not many of you should become teachers? I've really appreciated we said that in a recent episode. Maybe tuck that away for your own personal edification. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

No, it was just for a time because synagogues didn't want them, right? The temple didn't want them, so they had to meet from house to house. And how did they meet from house to house? Well, they would probably go to the house of some of the uh wealthier people because the house were houses were larger. And they would go sit in the the the sitting room or the triclinium, or really became like a dining room. Yeah. The triclinium cleaner as in recline, so where the three recliners were. So I mean think about them like this recliner here, recliner here, recliner here. No, it was not like a lazy boy.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Where they just got their feet up, they got a TV dinner with Lord. They did have their feet up. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

But it was more like they reclined from the back to the front, kind of kneel, kind of leaning on their elbows and a thing. Yeah. So this was a Greco-Roman custom. The Greeks did it, Romans did it, and they would sit in these on these tricliniums, and this is where they would have a meal, they would have some wine. And in the past I've talked about how much wine, if you study the historical documents and biblical accounts, the wine was so diluted. It was mostly water. Mostly water, nothing like what people have today. And you wanted it to be like that. Most Greeks and Romans did not have these wild drinking parties. Now they did have them, but not that was not the most common thing.

SPEAKER_04 23:23

Yeah, it wasn't like that was a staple of the culture. They looked down on it.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

They looked down on it because if you're really stone drunk, what's the fun in that?

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

You're going to be Vomiting, you're going to be saying outlandish things, you're going to destroy the entire meaning and and you know atmosphere of the party.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Because the whole purpose of the party, right, is to come together, talk, argue, have like or music or discussion or have someone get up and speak.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

How can you do that if if everybody's drunk? Yeah, it's just chaos.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Pandemonium.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

People are passed out. I mean, that's not what they want. So you would have these things. So Christians sort of copy the same model. So they would come in, and since they had a much larger crowd, there would be some people who would wait out in the foyer waiting to come in. And there would be a group that would come in, recline, eat the fellowship meal, take part in the communion, and then they would make their way out. There would be a word spoken, you know, a message given, and then we won. So the next group can come, so the next group can come, so the next group can come. But people were getting there early and not leaving.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

So plant myself right here.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

It's just always a mad. I don't know why I know Paul really didn't like this and it made him angry, but I always laugh when I picture these guys like laying down, eating the Lord's Supper, like taking the meal, looking out, seeing the line and be like, avoiding eye contact. I reckon somebody will get up soon, but it ain't gonna be me.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Like in restaurants when you have a whole party of 15 standing outside, and then people over here taking their time drinking, and then ordering some dessert and some coffee. And you're like, come on, man, they won't dare look up at you. Yeah, and that's what was happening in Corinth. Yeah, you know, and that that's what Paul was talking to them and saying, Hey, you know, you guys are doing this kind of stuff, and this is not good. You need to realize by doing this, you are some of you are walking away drunk, and others are walking away hungry. They're out there and they finally leave. You're over here, keep keep drinking, drinking, drinking, and you're drunk.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

They leave. This is like, all right, well, let's go home.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

It's uh he says he says in 1 Corinthians 11 33, therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. So the Corinthians, as I would say, other church communities as well had lost the meaning of the sacredness of this moment. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

Yeah, and you know, ultimately we're talking about the communion, but as with every episode that we do here on the clear view today, show it's not just about the communion, right? It's about our unity in Christ. Everything we've been talking about with the baptism, the Lord's Supper, the communion, all of these things are to help you get to know God better. This whole miniseries we've been doing is about getting to know God. And so, how do we get to know God better? It starts by realizing these things that we do in church are not ritualistic in nature, right? They're periodic, but they're not just rituals that we do because God told us to do it, and I don't really think about it deeper than that. We are unifying and uniting ourselves with Christ every time we observe these things.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Yeah, I think the biggest takeaway for me from these discussions about who God is and baptism and communion is that there's often a deeper spiritual reality or a deeper spiritual truth that we haven't tapped into, maybe just because of ignorance, maybe because of how we've been raised, or maybe because of a lack of a desire to go deep into the things of God. But that's our heart here on the Clearview Today show through these various conversations that we've had. And we have more that are that are in the docket, more that are in the queue to talk about that. You would go deep in your faith. You would go deep in your understanding of who God is because God has not called us to a shallow faith. He's not called us to just be content with wading in into the shallow water. He's called us to go deep. And when you go deep, you understand that there is more to know and more to learn and more to love about God than lifetimes can account for.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

There's an overwhelming process when you start to go deep like this where you you feel like giving up. You're like, man, this is a lot it was a lot easier when I just showed up, watched the baptism, ate the bread, drank the cup, said the prayer, and went home and you know, went to Cracker Barrel. Yes, it's an easy life, but it's not a rewarding life. It's not a deep life. And the thing is, we really believe sitting here on this couch and in this chair right here that Dr. Shah's in, that God has such a rich life prepared for you. You know, we're going through Ephesians in our church right now, and the riches that you have in Christ, you can't even know. And you can experience those riches here on earth, just a taste of them, just a shadow of what's to come, but you really can. And so as we're continuing this series on getting to know God, our prayer is that you would continue to get to know him and experience those riches for your, for your life, for your church, for your ministry, your community.

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